Calvinist and charismatic theologian Sam Storms explains why he's a continuationist.
Why I Am a Continuationist by Sam Storms
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/continuationist/
"...and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God."- 1 Cor. 2:4-5
Calvinist and charismatic theologian Sam Storms explains why he's a continuationist.
Why I Am a Continuationist by Sam Storms
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/continuationist/
Why Charismatics and Calvinists Need Each Other by Adam Mabry
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/why-charismatics-and-calvinists-need-each-other/
rgbrao December 8, 2019 at 9:29 PMOK. So I am going to think out loud and will make a comment here with respect to something in the above post.
Note that Murray does not explicitly tell us what in the Bible constitutes a promise. I have this same issue with John Piper and Jay Adams. They will tell you to claim God's promise, but they rarely give you examples of what God's promises are. At least in terms of what I have read. Anyway, I will spell out this issue in two ways.
(1) Collective: What promises are applicable to Christians today vs. the OT Israelites.
and
(2) Individually: What promises are specifically applicable to Jane Doe's situation today.
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So? How does one know what is an applicable promise or is not an applicable promise?
~ We might respond and say, "Look. Isn't it obvious what the promises of God are? They are scattered throughout the Scriptures. There are even very many little books out there containing lists of Promises from the Bible."
Then this is where the problem comes. You go off and read "For I know the plans I have for you ... a hope and a future" (Jer. 29:11), and say to yourself, "This is a promise that I will put on my fridge."
But then along comes the apologist, who says "Hey! Wait a minute! That is only for the Israelites of old. That is not for you. That is N/A for us today."
So that is one problem - distinguishing what Promises are for us or not for us. Some might just be for the OT Israelites vs. what is for us today.
(2) Applicable/Non-Applicable to Jane Doe Specifically?
The next problem is this. You cannot open up the Bible and find a promise that God will give you a new Honda or a promotion at the workplace. You won't find it. These things are wants, not needs.
George Müller seemed to have circumscribed God's promises as being applicable to "...necessaries" only. So speaking in terms of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, God will definitely provide for you food, clothing or shelter (= bottom of Maslow's pyramid), however there is no guarantee that He will provide for you friendship (= midway up the pyramid). A person who might be in prison for life, and who comes to faith while there by way of reading a Bible, might fail to have friends for the rest of his life. The latter is not strictly speaking necessary for you to continue to live.
~ The above are two issues, that have come up for me here and there, in particular through Piper's work. I am sure you address them here and I will be continuing to read. Thanks for the blog! There is lots of food for thought here.
In Him,
~ Raj
P.S. For my devo tonight, I read 1 Samuel. It is interesting to note that Hannah, with respect to her barrenness basically had two options:
(1) Quit praying because surely a child was not the Lord's will,
or
(2) Keep praying anyway.
She opted for (2) and persevered in prayer for years. Amazing!
And Jesus said to him, "'If you can'! ALL THINGS are possible for one who believes."- Mark 9:23 ESV
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh.
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds.
5 We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,
6 being ready to punish every disobedience, when your obedience is complete.- 2 Cor. 10:3-6
Now therefore go, and I will be with your mouth and teach you what you shall speak."- Exo. 4:12
for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries will be able to withstand or contradict.- Luke 21:15
Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.- Col. 4:6
You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your [evil inordinate] passions/pleasures/desires.- James 4:3
//Then this is where the problem comes. You go off and read "For I know the plans I have for you ... a hope and a future" (Jer. 29:11), and say to yourself, "This is a promise that I will put on my fridge."
But then along comes the apologist, who says "Hey! Wait a minute! That is only for the Israelites of old. That is not for you. That is N/A for us today."//
17 Let not your heart envy sinners, but continue in the fear of the LORD all the day.
18 Surely there is a future, and your hope will not be cut off.- Prov. 23:17-18
//(2) Applicable/Non-Applicable to Jane Doe Specifically?
The next problem is this. You cannot open up the Bible and find a promise that God will give you a new Honda or a promotion at the workplace. You won't find it. These things are wants, not needs.//
11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield; the LORD bestows favor and honor. No good thing does he withhold from those who walk uprightly.
12 O LORD of hosts, blessed is the one who trusts in you!- Ps. 84:11-12
He fulfills the desire of those who fear him; he also hears their cry and saves them.- Ps. 145:19
8 Oh, taste and see that the LORD is good! Blessed is the man who takes refuge in him!
9 Oh, fear the LORD, you his saints, for those who fear him have no lack!
10 The young lions suffer want and hunger; but those who seek the LORD lack no good thing.- Ps. 34:8-10
"Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.- Luke 12:32
28 But if God so clothes the grass, which is alive in the field today, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, how much more will he clothe you, O you of little faith!
29 And do not seek what you are to eat and what you are to drink, nor be worried.
30 For all the nations of the world seek after these things, and your Father knows that you need them.
31 Instead, seek his kingdom, and these things will be added to you.
"Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom."
Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?- Matt. 6:26
31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?'
32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all.
33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
34 "Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself.- Matt. 6:31-34
Delight yourself also in the LORD, And He shall give you the DESIRES of your heart.- Ps. 37:4
He will fulfill the DESIRE of those who fear Him; He also will hear their cry and save them.- Ps. 145:19
If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you DESIRE/WISH, and it shall be done for you.- John 15:7
LORD, You have heard the DESIRE of the humble; You will prepare their heart; You will cause Your ear to hear,- Ps. 10:17
May He grant you according to your heart's [DESIRE], And fulfill all your purpose.- Ps. 20:4
You have given him his heart's DESIRE, And have not withheld the request of his lips. Selah- Ps. 21:2
"And he said to him, 'Son, you are always with me, and ALL THAT I HAVE IS YOURS.- Luke 15:31
"The decree of God does not affect my endeavour; for he that decreed my salvation decreed it in the use of means, and if I neglect the means I reprobate myself. No man argues thus: God has decreed how long I shall live, therefore I will not use means to preserve my life, I will not eat and drink. God has decreed the time of my life in the use of means, so God has decreed my salvation in the use of the Word and of prayer. As a man who refuses food murders himself, so he that refuses to work out his salvation destroys himself. The vessels of mercy are said to be prepared unto glory. Rom 9: 23. How are they prepared but by being sanctified? and that cannot be but in the use of means; therefore let not God's decree take thee off from holy endeavours. It is a good saying of Dr Preston, 'Hast thou a heart to pray to God? it is a sign no decree of wrath has passed against thee.’ "
- Thomas Watson, A Body of Divinity
If the events of things be not in our power, as you [[[i.e. Erasmus]]] say, how can it be in man to perform the causing acts? The same answer which you gave me, the same receive yourself! Nay, we are commanded to work the more for this very reason, because all things future are to us uncertain: as saith Ecclesiastes, "In the morning sow thy seed, and in the evening hold not thine hand: for thou knowest not: which shall prosper, either this or that" (Eccles. xi. 6). All things future, I say, are to us uncertain, in knowledge, but necessary in event. The necessity strikes into us a fear of God that we presume not, or become secure, while the uncertainty works in us a trusting, that we sink not in despair.
- Martin Luther, The Bondage of the Will [translated by Henry Atherton] [pages 257-258 in the J.I. Packer & O.R. Johnston translation]
Since the future events are hidden and unknown to us we should be as industrious in our work and as earnest in the performance of our duty as if nothing had been decreed concerning it. It has often been said that we should pray as though everything depended on God, and work as though everything depended on ourselves.
- Loraine Boettner, The Reformed Doctrine Of Predestination, chapter 18
Hence as to future time, because the issue of all things is hidden from us, each ought to so apply himself to his office, as though nothing were determined about any part.
- John Calvin (Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God, (1552) trans. J.K.S. Reid, (London, James Clarke & Co. 1961, 171)
Wherefore, with reference to the time future, since the events of things are, as yet, hidden and unknown, everyone ought to be as intent upon the performance of his duty as if nothing whatever had been decreed concerning the issue in each particular case. Or (to speak more properly) every man ought so to hope for success in all things which he undertakes at the command of God, as to be freely prepared to reconcile every contingency with the sure and certain Providence of God. The Lord, moreover, promises His blessing upon the work of our hands. By this promise each godly man will acknowledge himself to be appointed of God, an instrument of His glorious Providence. And such godly one, relying on this same promise, will gird himself with alacrity to his undertaking, and will be persuaded that he is not casting into the air labour in vain; but, resting on the Word of God, he will believe that God, by His secret counsel, will direct all his labour to the issue that shall be best. In a word, as the Providence of God, rightly considered, does not bind our hands, but free them for work, so it not only does not hinder prayer, but strengthens and confirms its earnestness.
- John Calvin, A Defence of the Secret Providence of God, Introduction
//George Müller seemed to have circumscribed God's promises as being applicable to "...necessaries" only. So speaking in terms of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, God will definitely provide for you food, clothing or shelter (= bottom of Maslow's pyramid), however there is no guarantee that He will provide for you friendship (= midway up the pyramid). A person who might be in prison for life, and who comes to faith while there by way of reading a Bible, might fail to have friends for the rest of his life. The latter is not strictly speaking necessary for you to continue to live. //
//P.S. For my devo tonight, I read 1 Samuel. It is interesting to note that Hannah, with respect to her barrenness basically had two options:
(1) Quit praying because surely a child was not the Lord's will,
or
(2) Keep praying anyway. //
It is not enough to begin to pray, nor to pray aright; nor is it enough to continue for a time to pray; but we must patiently, believingly continue in prayer, until we obtain an answer; and further, we have not only to continue in prayer unto the end, but we have also to believe that God does hear us and will answer our prayers. Most frequently we fail in not continuing in prayer until the blessing is obtained, and in not expecting the blessing.- George Muller
...for I dare not say that since the days of the apostles there has never been, or that to the end of the world there shall never be, any raised up by God with such gifts, and for such administrations, as I have now described to be proper to prophets and evangelists, i.e., the foretelling of things to come... (George Gillespie, Miscellany Questions , Chapter 5, section 7, p. 30).
I must say it, to the glory of God, there were in the church of Scotland, both in the time of our first reformation, and after the reformation, such extraordinary men as were more than ordinary pastors and teachers, even holy prophets receiving extraordinary revelations from God, and foretelling diverse strange and remarkable things, which did accordingly come to pass punctually, to the great admiration of all who knew the particulars. Such were Mr. Wishart the martyr, Mr. Knox the reformer, also Mr. John Welsh, Mr. John Davidson, Mr. Robert Bruce, Mr. Alexander Simpson, Mr. Fergusson, and others. It were too long to make a narrative here of all such particulars, and there are so many of them stupendous, that to give instance in some few, might seem to derogate from the rest, but if God give me opportunity, I shall think it worth the while to make a collection of these things (George Gillespie, Miscellany Questions , Vol. 2, Chapter 5, section 7, p. 30).
3. There is a 3rd revelation of some particular men, who have foretold things to come even since the ceasing of the canon of the word, as John Huss, Wycliffe, Luther, have foretold things to come, and they certainly fell out. And in our nation of Scotland, Mr. George Wishart foretold that Cardinal Beaton should not come out alive at the gates of the Castle of St. Andrews, but that he should die a shameful death; and he [Beaton-PRCE] was hanged over the window that he did look out at, when he saw the man of God [Wishart-PRCE] burnt. Mr. Knox prophesied of the hanging of the Lord of Grange. Mr. John Davidson uttered prophesies, known to many of the kingdom, diverse holy and mortified preachers in England have done the like (Samuel Rutherford, A Survey of Spiritual Antichrist, London, 1648, p. 42).
Assert. 2. Yet it is not altogether to be denied, but that the Lord may, in particulars of the last kind, sometimes, reveal himself to some, by foretelling events before they come, such as the famine that Agabus foretold of, or Paul's imprisonment were; of such the history of the martyrs and saints do sometimes make mention: and particularly, Athanasius is often advertised of hazards, as is recorded, and in the verity cannot be denied; and of this sort there were many at the reviving of the light of the gospel who, by foretelling of particular events, were famous, as John Huss's foretelling, within a hundred years after him, to follow the outbreaking of reformation; such, it is likely, was Hieronymus Savonarola, who was burnt by the Pope, not as was pretended, for foretelling of events, as they imputed to him, by unlawful means, but for faithful reproving of his faults, as he is described by Philip de Cumius, and other authors: of such many were in this land, as Messrs. Wishart, Knox, Welch, Davidson, etc.. And this cannot be said altogether to be made void: for, although God has now closed the canon of scripture, yet that he should be restrained in his freedom, from manifesting of himself thus, there is no convincing ground to bear it out, especially when experience has often proven the contrary in the most holy men. (James Durham, Commentary upon the Book of Revelation, Glasgow, 1788 edition, cited from SWRB bound photocopy, Vol. 2., pp. 219-224).
... although such prophets be extraordinary, and but seldom raised up in the church, yet there have been, I dare say, not only in primitive times, but amongst our first reformers and others; and upon what Scripture can we pitch for such extraordinary prophets, if not upon those scriptures which are applied by some to the prophesying brethren, or gifted church members? (George Gillespie, Miscellany Questions, Vol. 2, Chapter 5, section 7, p. 30).
There is difference to be put betwixt the simple foretelling of an event, which may be of God, and a conclusion which may be drawn therefrom; this may be of ourselves, as we may see in the predictions of these, Acts 21 [vs. 11-PRCE], who foretold of Paul's imprisonment at Jerusalem, yet was not that to divert him from his going there, as many collected; that therefore was not from God, as Paul's pressure in the spirit to go notwithstanding, does clear; every such prediction therefore cannot make be made a rule of duty, seeing the Lord may have other good ends of trial, advertisement and confirmation in it. And we will not find, that any have made use of such particular revelations, as from them to press a duty upon others, that would not otherwise be warrantable, although, when it concurs with other grounds, it may have its weight for swaying in lawful things (James Durham, Commentary upon the Book of Revelation, Glasgow, 1788 edition, cited from SWRB bound photocopy, Vol. 2, p. 222).
I may add a personal note at this point: When I first found this material in Baxter, I photocopied these two pages and sent them to J. I. Packer, whose doctoral dissertation at Oxford was on Baxter's work. Packer sent back the following note:That statement came from J.I. Packer who is well known for being well versed in the writings of the Puritans.
By the way, some weeks ago you faxed me an extract from Baxter about God making personal informative revelations. This was the standard Puritan view, as I have observed it—they weren't cessationists in the Richard Gaffin sense.15 [bold added by me] - This quote can be read directly from HERE.