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Showing posts with label miracles. Show all posts
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Monday, August 18, 2025

Can Continuationists Legitimately Appeal to Mark 16:17-20 For Their Doctrines Despite The Scholarly Consensus That It Is An Interpolation Rather Than An Original Part Of The Gospel Of Mark?

 
Continuationists are those Christians who believe the charismatic gifts are still being given by God and operate in the Christian church. They include Pentecostals, Charismatics, Third Wavers, Open But Cautious (etc.). There are many speculations and theories as to whether the Longer Ending of Mark [i.e. Mark 16:9-20] is an authentic part of the Gospel of Mark [GMark]. Most scholars argue that it is not an original and viable part of GMark. But it was added to GMark either because the real ending was lost, or because some early Christians thought GMark ended too abruptly and took it upon themselves to give it a "better" ending. Some of these scholars argue that the abrupt ending was intentional because it was meant to spark evangelistic discussions and dialogues in the early church when living eyewitnesses were still alive to talk about the ministry and message of Jesus [GMark being written partly for the purpose of being an evangelistic Gospel]. There are those who attempt to argue for the authenticity of Mark 16:9-20. Some claiming it may have been added later by the approval of the original author of the Gospel. Or by the early community that originally published GMark.

In this blogpost I will assume for the sake of argument the "worse case senario" that Mark 16:9-20 is an interpolation. When doing apologetics I suggest never to use Mark 16:9-20 or any other unique or unlikely authentic reading and textual variants to prove an apologetical point [e.g. 1 John 5:7; "God" in 1 Tim. 3:16; etc.]. For apologetics I recommend sticking with the Critical Text rather than Majority Text or the Textus Receptus readings. That way we Christians can't be accused of cheating by placing our thumbs on the scale. The Critical Text has less accretions and therefore closer to the original texts.

At the same time, I believe that some readings and variants pop up so early in the Christian Scriptural textual tradition and are so widespread geographically that while they may not be viable [meaning plausibly authentic], they are nevertheless honored by God because they generally reflect the teaching and experience of the early Christians. This is what I believe about the Mark 16:9-20. Even if it were an interpolation, it's so ancient and so accepted as canonical by many copies of the text of Mark that God honors the faith Christian have in it. Including the faith continuationists have in appealing to it to justify their doctrines, practices and appeals to God to manifest His presence and grace through and in powerful miracles, signs and wonders in their lives and ministries. Whoever created the interpolation [if it is an interpolation] must have done it very near the time of the Apostolic Age, and composed it based on the rest of Scripture (given its allusions to other Biblical passages) and the supernatural miraculous experiences of Christians in and soon after the Apostolic Age. 

As a Protestant, I affirm that Scripture is above and superior to Christian tradition, but at the same time, Scripture iss also part of Christian tradition. That's because there is a distinction between Scriptural Christian tradition, and non-Scriptural Christian tradition. In one sense they are one, and in another sense they  must be distinguished. The Longer Ending of Mark may be a case where an extra-Biblical tradition might have entered the Scriptural text, and not be authentic or inspired. It may not be inspired in the highest sense that true Scripture is, but it may be "inspired" in a lower sense. As, for example, the numbering of chapters and verses in the Bible, or how some scholars think the titles to the Psalms aren't original but where added later. But because they have been part of the Scriptural tradition for such a long time, believers often take it for granted that they are in some sense authoritative even if not authentic. I think a similar thing is true or the Longer Ending of Mark. 

In which case, I think it's perfectly legitimate for continuationists to ask God and expect God to show up and perform signs and wonders in their lives in keeping with (and as per) Mark 16:17-20. That the signs described in it, like casting out demons, speaking in tongues, being supernaturally protected from the venom of venomous snakes, not being hurt by poison, and healing the sick, WILL FOLLOW Christian believers. The Bible teaches we are not to tempt or test God. In which case, we should not be handling venomous snakes or drinking poison on purpose. The passage is referring to examples of handling snake by necessity (say in case of emergencies), or of accidental poisoning [e.g. Acts 28:3-6].


Mark 16:9 NASB95
9   [Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.10 She went and reported to those who had been with Him, while they were mourning and weeping.11 When they heard that He was alive and had been seen by her, they refused to believe it.
12    After that, He appeared in a different form to two of them while they were walking along on their way to the country.13 They went away and reported it to the others, but they did not believe them either.
14    Afterward He appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at the table; and He reproached them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who had seen Him after He had risen.15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.16 He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.17 These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;18 they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."
19    So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.20 And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them, and confirmed the word by the signs that followed.] 







Friday, July 25, 2025

Miscellaneous Links Supporting Continuationism

 

The first two below are by Reformed/Calvinist author Bnonn Tennant who I think is a cessationist. Yet he nevertheless makes a case for theological positions that arguably better fit with continuationism rather than cessationism.

What to do if your house is haunted by Bnonn Tennant
https://www.truemagic.nz/p/what-to-do-if-your-house-is-haunted

What does it mean to bless things? by Bnonn Tennant
https://www.truemagic.nz/p/what-does-it-mean-to-bless-things

I haven't reviewed or watched all of the following links, but allegedly they are from a Charismatic position that shows evidence of the continuing reality of Christian miracles:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1319668392243452&rdid=EUVwxuMYIUtpf5U0

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/45505841_Study_of_the_Therapeutic_Effects_of_Proximal_Intercessory_Prayer_STEPP_on_Auditory_and_Visual_Impairments_in_Rural_Mozambique 
 
😮Cases of Documented Healings:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/154TPfp1AL/?mibextid=wwXIfr

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/15gxCwwPyR/?mibextid=wwXIfr

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/14cbfH4pTg/?mibextid=wwXIfr

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1AWJ8FW6MH/?mibextid=wwXIfr

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1Wh5eS3y1C/?mibextid=wwXIfr

😮Why Don’t We See More Documentation for Healing?

https://www.theobjectivebeliever.com/why-don-t-we-see-more-documented-ca

😮Why Don’t Faith Healers Ever Visit Hospitals?

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1EMjcaqYW6/?mibextid=wwXIfr

😮Is it Always God’s Will to Heal?

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1BF9zPKLjW/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Wednesday, January 8, 2025

Sunday, March 26, 2023

Healing According to Faith

[Last updated 2024/10/5]


As a Calvinist, I believe people are divinely healed of sicknesses according to the sovereignty of God. However, at the same time the Bible teaches that we receive healing according to our faith. The Bible, and Jesus in particular, encourages people to have faith for healing. According to Calvinism, faith is ultimately the sovereign gift of God. But I believe we shouldn't use that fact (that faith is a divine gift) as an excuse not to strive to exercise faith for healing. The healing of ourselves and of others [James 5:14-16]. Jesus never (Himself) used or accepted (from others) the sovereignty of God as an excuse for why someone wasn't healed. In fact, Jesus criticized and rebuked His disciples for not having faith to heal sickness or exorcise demons. He blamed the disciples for failing to get people healed of severe demonic influence [Matt.17:14-21; Mark 9:14-29; Luke 9:37-42]. Jesus and the New Testament teaches that with God, and faith in God, all things are possible [Matt. 17:20; 19:26; Mark 9:23; 10:27; 14:36; Luke 1:37].

 Many atheists point to two passages Mark 6:5 and Matt. 13:58 where it says Jesus couldn't do miracles because of the people's unbelief. Allegedly this shows that Jesus (or God through Jesus or anyone else) couldn't/can't heal everyone. That there's a limitation on God's power, or that God isn't omnipotent even according to the Bible's teaching. The passages don't teach or imply anything like that at all. Both passages record the same event of Jesus being rejected by the majority of people in His hometown of Nazareth. The point of both passages is that in their rejection of Jesus (i.e. unbelief) they didn't come to Jesus for healing, and so not many were healed. Both passages say Jesus did do some healings and miracles there. The truth is that God can heal with or without faith. I remember listening to an audio of Walter Martin, a well known pioneer of 20th century apologetics, recount how one time someone asked him to pray for their healing and he was hesitant to do so, but did so anyway and the person was healed to his great astonishment & amazement. He was surprised because he didn't have faith or confidence that the person would be healed. Then in the audio he immediately recounted another story that happened soon afterward (days or weeks later) when someone again asked for prayer and this time he had great confidence that the person would be healed because of his recent experience, and the person wasn't healed. He went on to explain what he believed happened. That it goes to show that God is sovereign enough to heal even in the absence of faith. As well as sovereign enough in His wisdom to withhold healing. I agree and I also think it goes to show that genuine faith for healing and miracles is not merely a psychological confidence, but a God given spiritual reality that goes beyond a mental idea or emotional feeling. God will sometimes heal in the absence of faith, but God's normative way to heal [as seen and taught in the Gospels] is in the presence of faith of the prayee and/or pray-er [usually both]. And from my Calvinist perspective, that faith is ultimately the gift of God. So, God's Sovereignty is not denied in my theology of healing. Nor is the will of humans ultimate in the final analysis. But from the human perspective or at least a practical perspective, the human will is important and often seemingly ultimate. See this blog here by Vincent Cheung on the will of man in healing with my qualifications of his theology here.

George Mueller made a distinction between the "grace of faith" and "gift of faith" that I agree with, but I define them differently than he did. Both are technically God's gifts, but bestowed differently. I believe the "gift of faith" described in the Bible is an immediate temporary supernatural endowment of faith that God can give someone for specific situations where God definitely wants to answer a prayer or perform a miracle or healing. This gift of faith comes upon a person in a way that he know is not something he already had or developed, but is an extraordinary sense of faith that encourages the person to know with certainty that God wants something supernatural done and that He's ready to do it. In contrast to that I believe the "grace of faith" is the ordinary faith we develop in the Christian life by doing those things that we are encouraged to do to increase faith. Things like prayer, Bible reading & study, church attendance, participating in communion (i.e. the Lord's Supper), Christian fellowship, et cetera. BOTH are the gift of God, but one is  immediate, sporadic and clearly extraordinary and supernaturally given. The other is gradual, fluctuates according to one's present state of sanctification, seemingly ordinary and not apparently supernaturally given since it's developed with human cooperation and effort.

Examine the following verses [ESV used]. Notice how often the Bible encourages faith, and teaches its limitless possibilities. Notice how often healing and miracles was tied to someone's faith. As well as how lack of healing was often (not always) tied to unbelief.

Matthew 8:5 When he had entered Capernaum, a centurion came forward to him, appealing to him, 6 “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, suffering terribly.” 7 And he said to him, “I will come and heal him.” 8 But the centurion replied, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but only say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I too am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my servant,[c] ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 10 When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, “Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel[d] have I found such faith. 11 I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, 12 while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13 And to the centurion Jesus said, “Go; let it be done for you as you have believed.” And the servant was healed at that very moment.

Matthew 9:22 Jesus turned, and seeing her he said, “Take heart, daughter; your faith has made you well.” And instantly[a] the woman was made well.

Matthew 9:29 Then he touched their eyes, saying, “According to your faith be it done to you.”

Matthew 13:57 And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and in his own household.” 58 And he did not do many mighty works there, because of their unbelief.

Matthew 15:28 Then Jesus answered her, “O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed instantly.

Matthew 17:19 Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, “Why could we not cast it out?” 20 He said to them, “Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.”[e]

Matthew 19:26 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Matthew 21:20 When the disciples saw it, they marveled, saying, “How did the fig tree wither at once?” 21 And Jesus answered them, “Truly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and thrown into the sea,’ it will happen. 22 And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.”

Mark 5:34 And he said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace, and be healed of your disease.”

Mark 6:4 And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.” 5 And he could do no mighty work there, except that he laid his hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6 And he marveled because of their unbelief. And he went about among the villages teaching.

Mark 7:28 But she answered him, “Yes, Lord; yet even the dogs under the table eat the children's crumbs.” 29 And he said to her, “For this statement you may go your way; the demon has left your daughter.” 30 And she went home and found the child lying in bed and the demon gone.

Mark 9:23 And Jesus said to him, “‘If you can’! All things are possible for one who believes.”

Mark 10:27 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man it is impossible, but not with God. For all things are possible with God.”

Mark 10:52 And Jesus said to him, “Go your way; your faith has made you well.” And immediately he recovered his sight and followed him on the way.

Mark 11: 22 And Jesus answered them, “Have faith in God. 23 Truly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says will come to pass, it will be done for him. 24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received[c] it, and it will be yours.

Mark 14:36 And he said, “Abba, Father, all things are possible for you. Remove this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.”

Luke 7:9 When Jesus heard these things, he marveled at him, and turning to the crowd that followed him, said, “I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such faith.” 10 And when those who had been sent returned to the house, they found the servant well.

Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

Luke 8:25 He said to them, “Where is your faith?” And they were afraid, and they marveled, saying to one another, “Who then is this, that he commands even winds and water, and they obey him?”

Luke 8:48 And he said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace.”

Luke 17:5 The apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith!” 6 And the Lord said, “If you had faith like a grain of mustard seed, you could say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it would obey you.

Luke 17:19 And he said to him, “Rise and go your way; your faith has made you well.”

Luke 18:42 And Jesus said to him, “Recover your sight; your faith has made you well.”

John 14:12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father. 13 Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask me[e] anything in my name, I will do it.

John 15:7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.

John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

John 16:23 In that day you will ask nothing of me. Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you. 24 Until now you have asked nothing in my name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.

Acts 6:8 And Stephen, full of grace and power, was doing great wonders and signs among the people. [[[Majority Text and TR have "full of faith and power". See the KJV, NKJV, YLT, EMTV, LITV]]]

Acts 14:9 He listened to Paul speaking. And Paul, looking intently at him and seeing that he had faith to be made well,[b] 10 said in a loud voice, “Stand upright on your feet.” And he sprang up and began walking.

1 Corinthians 13:1If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, I gain nothing.

Gal. 3:5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

1 John 3:20 for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; 22 and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.

1 John 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.

 

Here's a final caveat. This approach to prayer for healing and all other blessings of God [for finances, wisdom, guidance,  protection, etc.], even if rightly understood, can lead to frustration and even doubt due to delays and seeming denials of prayer requests. But not because of the doctrine itself. The doctrine itself ought to support hope for the future and eventual answered prayer, rather than doubt if a positive answer doesn't arrive or is delayed. It also acknowledges the sovereignty of God without giving people no options or hope for improving their circumstances. Imagine for example being in chronic pain and only having the theology of God's sovereignty to uphold you and the usual Calvinistic applications [often misapplications] of that truth. That could lead to the hopeless conclusion that one may have to endure the pain for the remainder of one's life. See, for example, Dan Downey's testimony. He wasn't a Calvinist. He was more Arminian, but he suffered from chronic pain and his testimony exemplifies the suicidal despair people can enter when they have no hope of being healed of chronic pain. His testimony "How I Received My Healing." can be downloaded HERE.

Under the theology and approach of this blog a person can have hope that his situation may improve and he can have a hand in bringing it about. Instead of just enduring it with nothing to do, or to pray with little hope of an answer. Or with reasons to fear that one may pray presumptuously in violation of God's will. The fear of committing the "sin of presumption" is one of the main hindrances to answered prayer. Yes, [all things considered] God's will of Decree MIGHT not be to heal [or heal right now], but His will of Delight and will of Demand IS to heal [all thing being equal]. For example, for all you know God doesn't intend to heal you today, but next week in response to the faith you develop and receive from God in the next seven days. SEE my BLOG on SIX senses of God's Will.

 Distinctions in God's Will from a Calvinist Perspective






Tuesday, March 7, 2023

Modern Testimonies of Miracles of Supernatural Multiplication

 

The Bible records miracles of multiplication. For example, Jesus multiplying a small amount of bread and fish to feed over five thousand people (Matt. 14:13ff.; Mark 6:30ff.; Luke 9:10ff.), and then another time when He multiplied bread and fish to feed over four thousand people (Matt. 15:32ff.; Mark 8:1ff.). The Old Testament also records miracles of multiplication. There's the incident when Elijah declared that a widow's jar of flour and jug of oil would not go empty until the drought in the land ended, and it happened (1 Kings 17:8ff.). There's also the incident when Elisha declared a widow's debts would be paid by the multiplication of oil (2 Kings 4:1ff.), and it happened.

BUT DOES GOD STILL DO THESE TYPES OF MIRACLES? ARE THERE MODERN CASES WHERE GOD MIGHT HAVE DONE SIMILAR THINGS?

 The following are some claimed modern instances where God multiplied supplies. I don't claim that every instance listed below were real miracles rather than fabricated lies. But I suspect that at least some of the testimonies are instances of genuine miracles of multiplication.




 

Probably the most famous modern instance is the case recounted by Corrie ten Boom in her book, The Hiding Place. It takes place during World War II (if I recall correctly, in a concentration camp).  Read the excerpt in the following link:

 Multiplication of Liquid Vitamins in a Bottle
https://triablogue.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-davitamon-bottle.html

 



 

Missionary Heidi Baker is associated with miracles, including cases of divine healing [for more on this, see Candy Gunther Brown's videos and book titles HERE]. In the link below there is the claim that cookies were supernaturally multiplied by God to supply enough for all the children present.


The Miraculous Multiplication of Cookies: A Missionary’s Story About the Power of Prayer
https://www.churchpop.com/2018/11/26/the-miraculous-multiplication-of-cookies-a-missionarys-story-about-the-power-of-prayer/




The following excerpt is from Pat Robertson's book Miracles Can Be Yours Today pages 125-126.

I love the childlike faith of some of the Italian immigrants who came to America, met Jesus Christ, and were then filled with God's Holy Spirit. To them, if it is in the Bible, it is true. To them, whatever God has promised in the Bible, He will do!

The mother of my friend, the late Frank Foglio, came to America without much money, but with a ton of faith. Frank wrote a wonderful book about his amazing mother entitled Hey God! (Bridge-Logos, 1972), and this is one story from it.

Italian people are very hospitable. The women are renowned cooks who delight in serving delicious food to their guests. Mama Foglio found herself one day with a crowd of guests at lunchtime. But what could she do? The family was poor, and her food supply had diminished to a half box of spaghetti. But Mama Foglio knew her Bible, and she knew the God of miracles.

So she got out her biggest pot, filled it with water, and then put it on the stove to boil. She took the tiny bit of uncooked spaghetti and put it near the pot. She then opened her Bible to a promise of God's provision and held it up in her right hand.

In a prayer that I am sure must have delighted the Lord, but which would have horrified most formal clergymen, Mama Foglio placed her finger on the promise in the Bible held in her uplifted hand and shouted at the top of her lungs, "Hey God! You promised right here to meet my needs. I need food for all these people. Do it, God, just like You promised!"

She took the handful of spaghetti and threw it in the pot of boiling water. Before her eyes, the spaghetti began to swell until it filled up the giant container. When it was cooked, she served plate after plate of steaming delicious spaghetti so that all of her guests were fed.

Mama Foglio's prayer wasn't fancy. It wasn't couched in the old English of the King James Bible. But to the Foglio family, "Hey God! Look! Right here You promised!" seemed prayer enough to please God and bring forth a miracle of multiplication and provision.




The following excerpt is taken from Nine O'Clock in the Morning by Dennis J. Bennett, pages 122-123


...Andrew answered, "There's a youngster here with some bread and fish he's brought with him for lunch, but what is the good of that for a crowd like this?" And then Jesus proceeded to feed the five thousand from the little fellow's lunch-box!

I believe that happened because the Bible says it did, but I also believe it because Jesus did something similar in my own house! It was the day our daughter was married. Husbands can be thoughtless people, and I'm no different from the average. That day I brought sixteen people home to lunch without even warning my wife! She told me later what happened.

"I stood in the kitchen and said, 'Lord, Dennis has brought these folks home with him, and You know I don't have food for this many. This casserole is large enough to feed only five or six, and I haven't time to go to the store. I don't want to say anything about this, so I'm going to put the food on the table and trust You to do the rest!' "

She did just that, and said to me later, "You know, I just watched that food go round and round. They kept digging in and digging in, and everyone seemed to get enough to satisfy him, and there was enough left over to feed two more who arrived later in the afternoon!"

"My God shall fill up all your needs!"




Pastor Mike Yeager testifies of how his vehicle was able to driven for three days longer than it should have. It was allegedly an empty gas tank miracle.

Driving Our TRUCK with no GAS!
https://youtu.be/ZLq3wIJB-I8



In this video, Mike Yeager claims God supernaturally multiplied paper money.

Miracle Of The Multiplication Of Money
https://youtu.be/cSZxAZ99Vj8







As a convinced and ardent Evangelical Protestant I believe Roman Catholicism has many SERIOUS errors that dilute the truth of the Gospel. So much so that I encourage people to leave Catholicism for a more Biblically based Christianity. I recommend Evangelical apologetics against Catholicism's teachings and claims (for example, those of Gavin Ortland, James White, Jordan B. Cooper, William Webster, The Other Paul, and others).

Having said that I believe it's spiritually dangerous to be Roman Catholic, I have to balanced that with the admission that I also think there's enough truth in Catholicism for some people to be possibly saved, despite the official Catholic Gospel technically not being a saving conception of the Gospel. That's because, technically, Catholicism teaches the doctrine of the Trinity. Also, there's a long history in Catholicism whereby some strains of Catholicism teach Sola Gratia (salvation by grace alone). Ironically, while most Protestants affirm Sola Fide (justification through faith alone) and reject Sola Gratia, many Catholics do the opposite. Catholicism officially denies Sola Fide, yet many Catholics affirm and many historic Catholic theologians affirmed Sola Gratia.

Anyway, all that was to make it clear that I'm not endorsing Catholicism when I post the following video (already cued up) where a Catholic exorcist recounts a story of the multiplication of dessert for children.

Fr. Dan Reehil recounts the multiplication of pudding
[YouTube video already cued up]
https://youtu.be/cFIKpoIt4aE?t=1412






The following account is by preacher Roger Sapp who is mostly known for his divine healing ministry. See my blogpost dedicated to his materials HERE. In the story below, Roger Sapp and his wife allegedly had an experience that could almost be categorized as similar to the multiplication of the liquid vitamins mentioned above. I'll post the story and then make a comment about the incident afterwards. The story is taken from Roger Sapp's book Spiritual Treasure: A Collection of 44 True Stories of the Supernatural Grace of God [2014], pages 8-9.


 Miracle in the Moonlight

In the first few months as a Christian, I experienced an amazing, miraculous event that was coupled with an inner knowing of what to do. I was a young soldier stationed in Wurzburg, Germany. I was saved by Jesus in a Christian coffeehouse that we attended regularly. In February, there was a Christian friend - who also attended this coffeehouse - who was leaving the Army and returning home. He needed a ride to the Frankfurt Rhein-Main Airport. I volunteered to drive him there.

It was not a long trip. It took about an hour and a half to get to the airport from where we lived. He didn't need to be there until after 8 pm, so we left at about 6 pm. My wife Ann and our two young children - one was a baby - came along with us. We arrived at the airport about 7:30 pm. We said our goodbyes and he went into the terminal.

We left the terminal and got back on the Autobahn in a few minutes. In about a half hour, we had a noisy blowout of the front right tire. With some difficulties slowing down and steering the car, I got the car off the Autobahn to the shoulder. I got out of the car to examine the tire. I knelt down beside it to examine it carefully. The tire was very flat with the rim near the ground. Normally, this would not have been a problem, but I realized that I had taken the spare tire in for repairs a few days before because it was flat also. (At that time, I was a low-ranking soldier and we had a worn-out car with worn-out tires.) Absentmindedly, I had forgotten to pick up the repaired spare tire before leaving on this trip.

I got back into the car and explained the situation to my wife Ann. Whether or not this was accurate, we had been told that if your car broke down on the Autobahn, you could get a huge fine by the German police. We discussed not being able to afford a fine. It was also very cold and dark outside with only the light of a full moon to see. I was keeping the car engine running to keep my family warm. I didn't know how long I could do this and still have enough gasoline to drive us home. With all these unknowns in our minds, Ann and I started praying for Divine help.

We had prayed for 15 minutes or so and I began to feel strongly that I should drive on the flat tire. I knew that this would completely ruin the tire and might seriously damage the rim. However, the more that I prayed, the stronger I felt that I should drive on the flat tire. I told Ann that I felt that I should drive on the tire. She - seeing no other solution - reluctantly agreed.

I started driving slowly on the shoulder. There was a grinding noise that made me think that the metal rim was touching the ground at times. There was also a repeating "flabunk" sound happening. "Flabunk, flabunk, flabunk..." I was praying for this old car to hold up under the new strain that I was putting on it.

Fairly soon, there was no noise at all. I got going somewhat faster but was puzzled why I wasn't hearing any noise. Without any effort, I got back on the Autobahn and eventually was traveling at speeds in excess of 60 miles an hour with no evidence that anything was wrong with the tire. I drove 45 minutes on that tire and pulled into a parking space in front of the apartment building where we lived on the German economy. I got out of the car and walked over to the right side to look at the tire. It was no longer flat. I could not accept this. Thinking that I was tired, I walked completely around the car checking each of the tires to see if one of them was flat. All the tires were fine. I was dumbfounded and awed as I returned to the right front tire. We were hearing about the Second Coming of Christ in the coffeehouse during that season. I remembered hearing this verse: "The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the great and glorious day of the Lord shall come. And it shall be, that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Acts 2:20-21) I looked up at the full moon and it did seem to be light red. I felt sure that the Lord was returning that night. I didn't sleep that night and made very sure that we were saved. We both prayed the sinner's prayer again. When the next morning arrived without Christ returning, I was both relieved and disappointed at the same time.

I got ready to go to work. When I went out to my car, I discovered that the front right tire was flat again and sitting on its rim. I was late to work that day but it was a great day. I experienced an awe of God's nearness all day. By the way, the rim was not damaged and the tire was not destroyed by me driving on it. We had it repaired.
[END QUOTE]

In a sense you could say that God multiplied air in the tire till it was no longer urgently needed. The tire went flat after they safely arrived home. Similar to how the miracle of the liquid vitamins ended when it was no longer urgently needed. Or similar to how Mike Yeager's vehicle would no longer run with little or no gas in the tank when they finally had money to pay for gas.



 

A fairly well known healing minister, "Praying Medic," discusses how to believe God for the multiplication of food and gas [etc.] In the following video. At 24 minutes into the video he relays some testimonies he has heard or received from others.

Supernatural Saturday - Food Multiplication and Other Miracles 

https://rumble.com/v14r4qm-supernatural-saturday-food-multiplication-and-other-miracles.html




 

I'll add more testimonies as I encounter them.








 




 




 





 

Sunday, January 15, 2023

A Book Review of Vincent Cheung's Unpardonable

 (Last updated 2023/01/18 at 2:35:00 UTC )


The following is my book review of Vincent Cheung's book on the doctrine of the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and the Unpardonable/Unforgiveable Sin. The book is titled, Unpardonable [pdf version] [epub version]. I give it a 1 out of 5 stars. I composed it to be posted as a book review on Goodreads.com, but the website no longer allows the average patron to manually input books, and Cheung's Unpardonable isn't yet in its database. Realizing I couldn't post it on Goodreads, I've made slight modifications to the review posted here.

I've listed my other doctrinal disagreements with Vincent Cheung in my main blog dedicated to him and his materials HERE. 



This book review is of the 2021 edition of Unpardonable (with 30 pages). Cheung may update the book, so I've archived this edition HERE.

Before I review this book, I want to make clear that I've benefited greatly from Vincent Cheung's materials. Most recently, I've read his books titled "Backstage," "Trace," "Fulcrum," "Contract," and "Hero." Cheung doesn't like using the terms "Calvinist" and "Continuationist" for himself because they are limiting, but he is nevertheless sometimes willing to kind of identify as a "Calvinist" as a theological shorthand. He prefers "expansionist" or "expansionism" rather than "continuationist" or "continuationism" with respect to the continuing work of the Holy Spirit. For similar reasons I too call myself a "Calvinist" and "continuationist" (or "charismatic" or "expansionist"). I make all this clear so that no one wrongly thinks my criticisms are coming from a cessationist who vehemently opposes Cheung. They are not. I accept Cheung's term of expansionism and the label expansionist. 


I dislike having to saying it, but despite having read and benefitted from over TWENTY of Vincent Cheung's BOOKS and dozens of his blogs, this book–"Unpardonable"–is the most disappointing book by Cheung I've ever read. Given his view that the doctrine of the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit ("BHS" for short) is a major doctrine that's neglected in the church and that has real world consequences for many people, why did he not interact with what other generally respected Christian leaders and exegetes have said or written when it comes to this doctrine? Notice what Cheung wrote (p. 20):

// "The doctrine of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a major teaching in the Gospels. It is no less extensive than the doctrines of marriage and communion, and more explicit than the doctrines of water baptism and church government. And whenever this doctrine applies, there is more at stake than all of these other doctrines combined multiplied by a trillion."//

Again, if the doctrine is so important, why didn't he interact with the scholars, theologians and exegetes who address this topic? What did he have to lose in doing so? Is he so confident of his interpretation of the relevant passages that he just dismisses what other scholars have said on the topic? Even the same scholars he approvingly quotes and cites on other topics? This is a major weakness in his book on the doctrine of the BHS and the Unpardonable/Unforgiveable Sin ("UnP" for short). 

He spends 30 pages explaining his view on the subject without questioning the possibility that he could be wrong on the topic, or at least aspects of the topic. There's no exploration of options and possibilities here, only confident dogmatic assertion. He says on page 24, "I cannot be wrong about this." It's a common complaint by readers of Cheung's materials that he is overly confident in his views and interpretations. Despite his wide reading of other authors, Cheung seems to be too isolated from people's specific criticisms of his positions. Just recently, I noticed he has removed the Contact information on his website. Another example is his refusal to interact in-depth with Aquascum's criticism of his modified Clarkian Scripturalism [see also my blogpost critiquing Scripturalism HERE]. Cheung has only addressed weaker criticisms that may or may not be in reference to Aquascum's thorough and learned criticisms of his particular brand of Scripturalism. So, whereas Aquascum addresses Cheung's specific views, Chueng only addresses the vague views of his unnamed critics. He's never been good at steelmanning his opponents' arguments and objections. In fact, they are often strawman representations. Some of his best works are unfortunately tainted by such strawmen which don't anticipate obvious nuances and alternative arguments. It's not like Cheung is incapable of penetrating criticism. He very much IS capable. He often brilliantly makes mincemeat out of other people's bad arguments. He just doesn't seem to be able or be willing to critically examine and question his own views and assumptions. By so doing, he lowers his potential impact on the church because he doesn't address the better objections to his views, and only refuting the low hanging fruit.

If Cheung's definition of the BHS is correct, then it would imply that virtually all non-Christians have committed the sin. Which is problematic. It would mean that much evangelistic and missionary work is, in some (not all) senses, pointless.

Cheung says [p. 23]:

//Any insult against deity is blasphemy. He did not restrict the sin to calling the Spirit a demon. Of course, to call the Holy Spirit a demon would be blasphemy, but this is not the only way to insult or speak against the Spirit. You do not have to call Jesus a demon for it to be blasphemy. You can call him a mere man and deny his deity, or you can call him weak or foolish, and that would be blasphemy. The same applies to the Holy Spirit. Just as there are many ways to insult or speak against Jesus, there are many ways to insult, to denigrate, or to speak against the Holy Spirit. There are many ways to criticize his ministry in healing the sick and casting out demons, his work in speaking in tongues and prophecies, and in granting visions and dreams.//

Why limit BHS to criticizing the Holy Spirit's ministry in healing the sick and casting out demons (etc.)? Isn't regeneration, sanctification and the inspiration of the Christian Scriptures (inter alia) the work of the Holy Spirit? Why then wouldn't denying the Holy Spirit's work of regeneration, inspiration, or any other work of the Holy Spirit be a case of blaspheming the Holy Spirit? If the Spirit's other works were included, then the majority of non-Christians have committed the Unpardonable Sin because most of them deny that Christianity is true, and deny all that Christianity claims. Including the alleged work of the Holy Spirit. This implication of Cheung's doctrine of the BHS would seem to suggest that his definition and interpretation of the BHS is seriously flawed.

What of the later salvation of formerly Trinity denying Unitarians [e.g. Jehovah's Witness] who blasphemed the doctrine of the Trinity, demoted the Holy Spirit to an impersonal force, and referred to Him in small caps [i.e, holy spirit]. There's inconsistency in Cheung's position because if he were consistent, then he would have to believe that atheists and Jehovah's Witnesses couldn't be saved. Cheung's distinction between 1. the "Signs and Wonders" works of the Holy Spirit and 2. His other works [e.g. inspiration] is artificial and poorly argued for. Cheung [AFAIR] never explains why the blasphemy of the first type of work of the Holy Spirit is singled out as committing the Unforgiveable Sin. Nor explain why the other types of works do not rise to that level seriousness. While there's much more consistency in the more traditional understanding(s) of the Unpardonable Sin. Most popularly defined as the persistent resolute opposition to and rejection of Jesus, His Gospel and all the other works of both the Father and Spirit. Though there are other definitions and variations. For example, some teach that only people in the 1st century could commit the sin. I hold to the more popular definition and personally believe that post-Biblical people can commit the sin. For the rest of this book review I'll assume (arguendo) that definition as the default one. Cheung's view doesn't explain why the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgiveable, while those against the Father and Son are. And THAT contrary to the doctrine of perichoresis/circumincession and the implication of how the intertwined life of the persons of the Trinity entails the unity and inseparability of their glory and dignity. 

Cheung's view teaches that it's worse to blaspheme one specific member of the Trinity than blaspheming all persons of the Trinity together. But how can blaspheming one person of the Trinity be worse than blaspheming all three persons of the Trinity? Cheung doesn't explain why blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is worse than blasphemy against the Father and/or the Son. He just says it's a special case and leaves it at that (!!!!). As I said, it seems to undermine the doctrine of perichoresis. And again, there's more consistency in the more traditional understanding(s) of the Unpardonable Sin.

Notice Hebrews 10:26-29:

26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses.
29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?

This reference to outraging the Spirit of grace (i.e. the Holy Spirit) seems to be referring to the Unpardonable Sin. If so, notice that it includes spurning the Son of God (etc.). Given Cheung's understanding of the BHS, this would result in a contradiction. The contradiction being that the Unpardonable Sin has to do specifically with the Holy Spirit's works of Signs and Wonders, and THIS text that defines the Unpardonable Sin in a way that does NOT have reference to the Holy Spirit's work of Signs and Wonders. Whereas the reference to the spurning of the Son makes sense given the more traditional understanding of the Unpardonable Sin whereby it's a persistent rejection of all three persons of the Trinity. 

One of the insights of Protestantism is the Analogy of Faith which is a methodology of interpreting the Bible. It is a "hermeneutical principle which states that, since all scriptures are harmoniously united with no essential contradictions, therefore, every proposed interpretation of any passage must be compared with what the other parts of the bible teach. In other words, the “faith,” or body of doctrine, which the scriptures as a whole proclaim will not be contradicted in any way by any passage. Therefore, if two or three different interpretations of a verse are equally possible, any interpretation that contradicts the clear teaching of any other scriptures must be ruled out from the beginning." 

Another principle of the Analogy of Faith is that the more clear passages and the more numerous passages should elucidate and take priority over the less numerous and the less clear ones. Given that there are many more passages and many clearer passages regarding God's willingness to forgive all repented of sin; and given that the passages describing the BHS and the Unpardonable Sin (UnP) are few and more difficult to interpret, then it only makes sense that formulating some doctrine of the BHS should take that into account. Cheung claims the passages on the UnP are easy to interpret. But that just begs the question. He doesn't take the time to interact with what other scholars, theologians and exegetes down through the centuries and millennia have said about the BHS. 

Cheung himself prioritizes Biblical teaching in this way. For example, he affirms the Protestant doctrine of justification by faith alone apart from works despite James 2:24 saying, "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." He does this using the Analogy of Faith. Cheung prioritizes in his view of the relative unimportance of baptism. He does this despite his (seeming) previous rejection of prioritizing Scripture elsewhere. If he can change his mind on something and not be a heretic, why can't other professing Christians be in a place where they just need to grow more in their understanding of the Bible? The relevant example would be that of cessationists growing in their understanding of the continuation of the gifts. Cheung himself understands that the doctrine of the Trinity is something that must be formulated by taking into account all of the Bible's teaching and not prioritizing less clear and less common statements (e.g. the Unitarian prooftexts [really spooftexts]). Unitarians, for example, will prioritize John 14:28 which has Jesus saying "the Father is greater than I" and use it as a major hermeneutical Key for interpreting the rest of the Bible to deny Jesus' full and equal divinity with the Father. If the doctrine of the Trinity needs much nuance and explanation to fit ALL of the Biblical data when there is much data on the topic, how much more does it require ALL of Scripture to hammer out a doctrine of the Unpardonable Sin which has LIMITED specific data on the topic and seems to go against the rest of the tenor of Scripture? A tenor which ostensibly teaches that all sins in this Age can be forgiven except the sin of persistent impenitence and unbelief. Cheung doesn't explore the possibility that he might be spooftexting [rather than prooftexting] the Synoptic pericopes that address the Unpardonable Sin.

Cheung is more dogmatic than the evidence warrants given the enigmatic nature of the passages in question. He's overly confident in his interpretation. While Cheung thinks the passages are clear, the vast majority of Christian interpreters for 2000 years have not found them to be manifestly clear. Maybe because they REALLY ARE a bit cryptic. Yet, despite Cheung's claim of them being clear, he HIMSELF doesn't give a clear and full orbed definition that can (at least in principle) address all questions, objections, situations and nuances people will naturally bring up. Despite being a modified Clarkian Scripturalist, he doesn't precisely define the BHS. And Clark insisted on clear definitions. Though, Cheung says he came to Scripturalist-like conclusions before encountering Clark's materials. Nevertheless, Cheung teaches the importance of clear Biblically based definitions (cf. his Systematic Theology).

Cheung himself isn't clear when or if a cessationist has committed BHS. In this book and his other materials he sometimes implies all cessationists have committed the sin, other times that maybe some haven't and there might still be hope for them. His lack of certainty of who have and haven't committed it manifests the fact that he hasn't defined the Unpardonable Sin very precisely. There are versions of cessationism whereby cessationists can believe in modern miracles and encourage them, yet merely deny that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today. Does that qualify as committing the BHS? Cheung doesn't factor in the many different versions of cessationism, semi-cessationism (etc.) in his broad critique of "Cessationism." Cheung himself says that the Bible's emphasis when it comes to operating in the supernatural is on the basis of faith rather than the spiritual gifts. So, if a cessationist could operate in the supernatural through faith, yet denies the continuation of the gifts, has he committed the BHS? His book doesn't address this. And this isn't a theoretical question. Charles Haddon Spurgeon was technically a cessationist, yet he had a sort of divine healing ministry. See this video here: 

The Healing Ministry of Charles Spurgeon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hysJxAdOCnM



What if someone who believes in the continuation of the Holy Spirit's supernatural work and His continued bestowal of spiritual gifts criticized a professing Christian Televangelist's videos of alleged miracles because of a News Network television exposé of the Televangelist or because he teaches serious heresy (e.g. Modalism; Tritheism; Kenosis theories that deny the orthodox doctrine of Incarnation; etc.)? Is that a case of committing the Unpardonable Sin? What do we do in such cases? His book doesn't address this.

What about a Hindu exorcist who claims he can cast out evil spirits in the name of "Jesus"? A "Jesus" who is merely an avatar (not the 2nd person of the Holy Trinity) who is only one of three dozen gods he has in his bag (pantheon) of gods? Isn't it more likely that what happens in such instances is that it's not done in the name of the real Jesus and by the power of the real Holy Spirit, but rather by a demon(s) pretending to be the real Jesus and the real Holy Spirit? That the evil spirit(s) who was cast out was cooperating in the deception? If so, then the intention of discernment is important and crucial.

Consider the hypothetical of a con artist preacher who preaches healing. Some of the apparent healings are of people who are plants who pretended to be sick and then pretend to be healed. But what if God sometimes heals people in the crowd because they placed their hope in God rather than in the con artist? In which case real miracles and fake miracles are mixed in the same meeting. Does condemning the fraud and his miracles entail the BHS? There are some charismatics who believe other charismatics are operating under a "Kundalini spirit" (i.e. demons) rather than the Holy Spirit. Are they blaspheming the Holy Spirit in such a case even though they believe in the continuation of the spiritual gifts and the Holy Spirit's work of modern signs and wonders?

These types of qualifications and situations aren't addressed by Cheung even though they are natural questions people will have. Instead, he says that intentions don't mean anything despite extenuating circumstances. He says on page 22:

//As far as the definition goes, intention is irrelevant. Evil intention could make it worse for the offender, since it would be an additional sin, but good intention – if it can be called good at all – does not change blasphemy into something else.//

Cessationist don't deny the miracles of Jesus recorded in the Bible, they affirm them as pointing to the real messiahship and divine sonship of Jesus. That's what those miracles done via the Holy Spirit are meant to do. It seems to me that it's not the miracles themselves, but how they point to the real Jesus that makes them the fulcrum upon which one may or may not have committed the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Otherwise all alleged claims of miracles must be automatically and uncritically believed even if they point to false religions. Discernment is necessary. And cessationists often reject some miracle claims by professing Christians because they see errors (sometimes major ones) in their doctrine. They do this out of intended ZEAL for the real Jesus and the real Holy Spirit.

Notice what Cheung himself wrote (p. 21): 

//Whatever their motivation was, it was not a direct or entirely knowing and intentional insult against the Spirit. Moreover, the target of their attack was Jesus and not the Holy Spirit at all. They were not even attacking Satan or the demons. The indirect suggestion that the Holy Spirit was a demon was only incidental to their statement against Jesus. They attacked Jesus, not "Beelzebub." The Holy Spirit was collateral damage. But even that was enough to trigger the doctrine of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.//

The problem is that modern cessationists aren't necessarily or intentionally attacking or denying Jesus. They may be attacking what they think is a ministry that teaches heresy, denies essentials of the Christian faith, and of the sufficiency of the Holy Bible to function as the sole infallible rule of faith for Christians (i.e. Sola Scriptura). By the way, there ARE versions of Sola Scriptura that can affirm and be compatible with continuationism (i.e. that the gifts of the Holy Spirit continue and have not ceased). The situations between unbelieving, Christ rejecting, Pharisees in the 1st century that personally confronted the sinless Jesus versus believing, Christ receiving, Christians in the 21st century who are not dealing with Jesus personally but alleged representatives of Jesus who are not morally perfect and who allegedly perform miracles in Jesus' name and by the power of the Holy Spirit, are very different situations and circumstances. Cheung doesn't take and factor in those differences (and other nuances) into serious consideration.

Besides Jesus BEING RIGHT THERE in their midst in the 1st century, other differences to modern Christians include (to name just a few):

- the context and milieu of the Israelites' Covenant with God and its national covenant community; 

- it was the time of the Messiah's direct arrival & visitation as predicted in Dan. 9, in which case the Jewish authorities should have known better and have been more careful/diligent when it came to evaluating messianic claimants (including Jesus); 

- Jesus' miracles being more undeniable and spectacular than most [not necessarily all] modern alleged miracles.

All the above examples seem (IMO) to create room for obvious extenuating circumstances. Why didn't Cheung addressed them in (at least) SOME detail in this book? They are simple immediate contrasting differences that likely arise in the minds of people who first encounter his doctrine of the Unpardonable Sin. They are such basic differences, as well as giving rise to obvious questions & objections, that he presumably has encountered them before. His statement on page 22 suggests this. He writes:


"Before you say, "What about…," just stop. It does not matter what other variable you introduce into the situation."
His refusal to deal with them to SOME degree is negligent, and makes me wonder if he's shielding himself from people's objections. Or not hearing them out in full. Otherwise he'd steelman the objections, criticisms and questions. He obviously can't address every possible scenario. That's an unreasonable expectation. But what he does say, and how he defines the doctrine, is too broad and isn't sufficient to answer these general criticisms & questions.

According to Cheung, Luke's teaching on the Unpardonable Sin begins in Luke chapter 11 and not in 12. He writes:

//Compared to Matthew, the Gospel of Luke appears to accommodate additional material between the accusation against Jesus (Luke 11:15) and his statement on the unpardonable sin (Luke 12:10), but it is easy to see that these verses between the two sustain a consistent theme (Luke 11:16-12:9), that is, the damnable religion of unbelief and tradition.//

But notice that in Matt. 12:25 and Luke 11:17 it says of Jesus "knowing their thoughts." He knew their thoughts and was judging them on that basis. So apparently intention DOES matter. Matthew's version seems to sum up blasphemy against the Spirit as intense opposition to Jesus. Christ's statement on the BHS is in v. 31. Yet the verse right before it is v. 30 which says "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters." Jesus seems to be saying that the way to tell if someone has committed the Unpardonable Sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is [persistent] opposition to Him. Luke's version culminates in Luke 12:10. But it's on the heels of the two previous verses [8-9] which are about one's stance and attitude concerning Jesus. Just like in Matthew.

8 "And I tell you, everyone who acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man also will acknowledge before the angels of God,
9 but the one who denies me before men will be denied before the angels of God.


Even Mark's statement in Mark 3:30 need not mean that that's the only way to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. It might just be giving one example. Remember that Cheung said, "...there are many ways to insult, to denigrate, or to speak against the Holy Spirit." Is Cheung being consistent when he teaches the BHS is specifically about signs and wonders and not the other works of the Holy Spirit? It doesn't seem like it.

Notice too that it is immediately after the pericope of the Unpardonable Sin (Matt. 12:22-32) that Jesus says JUST two verses later (Matt. 12:34), "You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the HEART the mouth speaks." This again suggests that one's INTENTIONS do matter. Because Jesus talks about how one's words spring from the HEART. If Cheung can say that Luke 11:15 to Luke 12:9 (forty-nine LONG verses in total) are part of the discussion of the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, then it shouldn't be a stretch to think that a mere two verses later (Matt. 12:33-34) are also a part of the teaching of the Unpardonable Sin. In fact, Cheung includes verse 36 as part of the context of the BHS. So, verses 33-34 MUST be included as well. Since they're in between Matt. 12:22-36.

As far as I can tell, technically none of the passages on the Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit state explicitly that anyone in the stories actually committed the Unpardonable Sin. The passages are consistent with either 1. the people having actually committing the sin as well as 2. with the people not having actually committing the sin but were on the verge of it such that it was appropriate for Jesus to warn them of the dangers of committing it. If the latter is the case, then Cheung's definition and understanding of the doctrine has to be false.

It's often said in theology that, "If something is new, it's probably not true. And if it's true, then it's probably not new." The most influential Christian writers in Christian history have not held to Cheung's understanding of the Unpardonable Sin. How can Christians for ~2000 years have been so wrong about a topic that Cheung has described as more clear than other doctrines like baptism, communion (etc.)? What are the chances that his understanding of the Unpardonable Sin is correct? If he's incorrect in his interpretation of Jesus' statements, then maybe he's led some people into spiritual depression needlessly because they thought they might have committed the UnP or are convinced they already have and have no psychological hope of salvation. Even if they might have actual metaphysical hope, but it's being blocked or hindered due to a false conception of what the Unpardonable Sin is and entails.

ANY blasphemy against the true God or any person of the Trinity is an EXTREMELY SERIOUS SIN AND OFFENSE to the Most High God. So it naturally invites the question, "What makes BHS worse and why?" As I said, my understanding of the Blasphemy of (or against) the Holy Spirit and the Unpardonable Sin is more in line with more traditional conceptions of it. It is the persistent direct (and possibly also indirect) denial or rejection of the Holy Spirit's work of confirming the gospel *of* and *about* Jesus. It is a more stubborn, final, and permanent rejection of Jesus Christ and His message.

It makes sense to me that the BHS is the opposite of receiving Christ. That it's the opposite of faith, trust and allegiance to Christ. That it is the resolute rejection of Christ despite clear indications that Christ is who He and the Bible claim Him to be either by visible signs and wonders and/or the invisible spiritual testimony and convicting work of the Holy Spirit in a person's heart. The BHS is the opposite of saying Jesus is Lord [i.e. the verbal allegiance to Jesus that springs from the heart] . Compare 1 Cor. 12:3 where the Apostle Paul says, "Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says "Jesus is accursed!" and no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except in the Holy Spirit." See also: Rom. 10:9; Phil. 2:10-11 Matt 12:34b. We know that unsaved people can utter the words, "Jesus is Lord" without truly believing and being in submission to Jesus. If that's true, then maybe it's possible to say/utter "Jesus is accursed" without it being blasphemy against the real Jesus. For example, someone whose only exposure to "Christianity" is Mormonism. The "Jesus" of Mormonism is conceived of as being the spirit brother of Lucifer whose Father was once a human being who only later on was deified to be God the Father. It's a false Jesus. Therefore, it seems cursing the Mormon conception of Jesus wouldn't count as blasphemy against the true Jesus. Similarly, not all cursing of the Holy Spirit may amount to The Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Speaking/uttering blasphemy OR affirming the Lordship of Christ are synecdoches or metonyms for one's whole heart attitude, resolve and determined course of action [James 4:13]. Similar to how the "Mark of the Beast" on the forehead and on the right hand is symbolic of and corresponds to one's mind [hence the reference to the forehead] and actions [hence the reference to the hand by which humans do/accomplish things]. And so the BHS would then be allegiance to Anti-Christ, to saying "No" to or rejection of Christ, and a resolved/determined alignment (knowingly or unknowingly) with the Kingdom of Darkness. Again, to repeat, just as non-Christians and unregenerate/unsaved self-deceived Christians can MERELY utter "Jesus is Lord" yet it not really being true and applied to them metaphysically (to their salvation), so it's likely that people can MERELY "utter" blasphemies against the Holy Spirit without it really being true and applied metaphysically to them in a way that amounts to the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (to their assured damnation). 

Cheung's understanding of the BHS reduces the severity of blasphemy against God in general [to any one, two or all three persons of the Trinity]. The nature of the BHS in traditional understandings of the doctrine make sense of how anti-Trinitarians who oppose the Trinity (like Jehovah's Witnesses) don't necessarily commit the BHS and can be saved, as well as explaining why it is that  the BHS is the worst type of divine blasphemy. Whereas in Cheung's view it's more arbitrary, inexplicable and mysterious why blasphemy against the Spirit in particular [as distinguished from animus against the Father and the Son], and specifically His work in signs and wonders, and not His other works like regeneration, are so evil that they become unforgiveable. And that contrary to Cheung's notorious aversion to mystery. 

Part of what may make the BHS unique might be in how the Holy Spirit is [as described by Scripture] especially involved in convicting people of sin and the truth of the gospel about Jesus as really being who He is [the Messiah, Son of God, and 2nd person of the Holy Trinity]. Hence making one more culpable when given more light and wooing of the Spirit.

I want to recommend Cheung's books to others more often than I do, but I disagree with some of his doctrines such that I have to give a long qualification whenever I do recommend them. This includes his doctrine and understanding of the Unpardonable Sin. 

The following are YouTube Videos by various Christian leaders on the topic that I recommend. While watching them, notice how internally consistent their explanations are when compared to Cheung's radical views on the topic.

Have You Committed the Unpardonable Sin? by Tim Challies
https://youtu.be/e95YdpYtuMQ


Michael Heiser - What is Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit? (Naked Bible Podcast)
https://youtu.be/nBL_ttQO1Go


What is the unforgivable sin? by Thomas Schreiner
https://youtu.be/8g-60kufB7Y


Don Carson on the Unforgivable Sin
https://youtu.be/mK1dIDCY1rI


Can Christians Commit the Unforgivable Sin? by Michael F. Bird
https://youtu.be/9azQvWTApWQ


Can a Christian Blaspheme the Holy Spirit? by John Piper
https://youtu.be/DO-Ie7fASAk


What EXACTLY Is the Unforgivable Sin? The Mark Series pt 12 by Mike Winger
https://youtu.be/KmCHX8-2Smo


The Unforgivable Sin (Mark 3:20-35) by John MacArthur
https://youtu.be/hcxL6dNQ5kk


The Unpardonable Sin (Mark 3:20–30) — A Sermon by R.C. Sproul
https://youtu.be/tbVYnGxLX9o




Saturday, June 1, 2019

Dr. Michael L. Brown Interviewed by Atheist Tom Jump


Dr. Michael Brown is considered by most people on all sides (Christian, Jewish, Atheist etc.) as the top apologist in dealing with evidences for Jesus' Messiahship. In the following interview atheist Tom Jump asks Michael Brown his reasons for believing in the Christian God. Dr. Brown recounts some of his own experiences of the supernatural, answered prayer, healing et cetera.




Dr. Brown mentioned the following book recommentations like:

Miracles: The Credibility of the New Testament Accounts by Craig S. Keener

The Case for Miracles: A Journalist Investigates Evidence for the Supernatural by Lee Strobel

Eyewitness to Miracles: Watching the Gospel Come to Life by Randy Clark
I'd also include:

Healing Miracles: A Doctor Investigates by Rex Gardner
Dr. Brown also mentioned Candy Gunther Brown's literature. Presumably he means at the very least Brown's books:

Testing Prayer: Science and Healing by Candy Gunther Brown

Global Pentecostal and Charismatic Healing by Candy Gunther Brown
In a previous blog I linked to videos by Candy Gunther Brown:

Testing Prayer: Science and Miraculous Healing - Candy Gunther Brown at Boston College






Sunday, January 29, 2017

Uprooting and Replanting Mulberry Trees



The following is a response to Steve Hays' blogpost:
Casting mountains into the sea

Steve's blogpost is a kind of sequel to his blogpost Faith and providence. Of which I responded to in the combox as well as in my own blogpost:
A Response to Steve Hays' Comments Regarding Nabeel Qureshi's Illness




Blue Sentences in Italics are quotations from Steve's Blogpost.

"Did Jesus literally mean that his followers can uproot mountains and cast them into the sea? Is that the kind of world we actually live in?"

I don't see how that isn't in the same league as Joshua commanding the sun to "stand still", Moses speaking to a rock to release water (which he messed up), Jesus commanding a fig tree to die, a storm to cease and demons to leave. Someone might say God indicated to Moses that He wanted to perform the miracle. But that's not the case with Joshua.

12    At that time Joshua spoke to the LORD in the day when the LORD gave the Amorites over to the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel,
    "Sun, stand still at Gibeon,
        and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon."
13    And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped,
        until the nation took vengeance on their enemies.
    Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.14 There has been no day like it before or since, when the LORD heeded the voice of a man, for the LORD fought for Israel.- Joshua 10:12-14
As far as I can tell Joshua didn't get an impression from God that He was already planning on stopping the sun. Joshua initiated the miracle himself (according to God's hidden decree if Calvinism is true). God didn't let Joshua's "word fall to the ground" in the same way God would later uphold Samuel's words (1 Sam. 3:19). They spoke in faith and God backed up both them and their words. They spoke in a way Paul would later describe in the following way,
Since we have the same spirit of faith according to what has been written, “I believed, and so I spoke,” we also believe, and so we also speak,- 2 Cor. 4:13

The woman healed from an issue of blood—recorded in all three Synoptic Gospels—had no revelation from God or Jesus that she would be healed if she touched the hem of Jesus' garment. In fact, Jesus was surprised and wasn't expecting healing virtue to flow from Him to heal her. He didn't know who it was who got healed. In the case of the healing of the Centurion's servant Jesus was going to personally travel to the servant to minister healing, yet it was the Centurion's faith which dictated how the healing would occur. He told Jesus that all He needed to do was to say the word (i.e. give the command) and the healing would occur. Jesus seemed to be reluctant to turn water into wine at the request of His mother, but He did it anyway. Abraham was cheeky when he persisted in lowering the number of people required for God to relent destroying Sodom and Gomorrah. The same thing when Moses contradicted God's apparent decree that He would start all over again and make a people out of Moses. Moses argued with God to change His mind and forgive his fellow Israelites. Moses had the chutzpah to ask God to show him His glory. The Syrophoenican woman persisted in asking Jesus to heal her daughter contrary to His stated intention NOT to heal her, as Vincent Cheung masterfully expounds in his blogpost Faith Override [though, there are some non-sequiturs in the details of his article]. He wrote:

He [Jesus] said no. He said no in three or four ways. There was the silent treatment. There was the positive covenantal argument. There was the negative covenantal argument. And there was the redemptive-historical maneuver.
Imagine what you would have done. He was not just ignoring you, he was saying no. He was not just saying no, he was schooling you in theology. You were defenseless because he was correct, and he was the Son of God............The woman did not accept the denial as “the will of God,” but she pressed on. Jesus asserted a covenantal argument. Then he asserted a redemptive-historical argument. He was correct theologically. What could turn this around?  It was the simplest and rarest thing in the world. The woman asserted an argument from faith. She hijacked the Lord’s metaphor and insisted on getting something from him that was not intended for her and that did not belong to her, and that he said was “not right” to give to her. Faith made it right anyway. She had no covenant, and it was not her time, but she still got what she wanted. What’s your excuse?
 From the human perspective it seems like humans were in control of the miracles and/or God's response. As a Calvinist I would see those actions as previously decreed by God, though they (the humans) didn't know that.


If moving mountains is hyperbole, then is Luke 17:5 also hyperbole?

The apostles said to the Lord, "Increase our faith!"6 And the Lord said, "If you had faith like a grain of mustard seed, you could say to this mulberry tree, 'Be uprooted and planted in the sea,' and it would obey you.- Luke 17:5

"ii) Consider the havoc it would wreak if Christians had the power to trigger natural disasters. Do we really think God has delegated that kind of unbridled power to Christians?"

God's promises to answer prayer are always understood to be in keeping with His purposes, decrees and moral standards. So, for example, God would never answer a prayer for successful adultery and theft, or the destruction of the world, or the damnation of every human, or the cancellation of the Second Coming of Christ etc.

 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.- John 15:7

21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God;22 and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.- 1 John 3:21-22

14 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us.15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.- 1 John 5:14-15

Having Christ's Words abiding in oneself informs one of what God would generally or specifically desire or approve of. There are some things not addressed or covered in God's Word which may or may not be God's purpose to grant. In which case, our confidence in God's granting those types of things will be weaker than for something that God has revealed (e.g. healing according to faith as in James 5:15). Though, if our hearts are attuned to God's heart, we can sometimes sense if something would be in keeping with God's purposes without any impression or private revelation. Other times there might be such an impression or private revelation that God is desirous to perform it. For example, George Mueller said that there were times when he got impressions that God wanted something performed which wasn't covered in Scripture and which he wouldn't have felt free to ask for or do without such an impression or gift of faith. Conversely, God sometimes gives impressions that it is not His will to grant a prayer. That's whether it's not covered by God's Word or even if covered by God's Word. So, if—ex hypothesi—it is God's general will to always heal the sick given sufficient faith, there have been times when people specifically got the impression it was NOT God's intention to heal a person (at least at that time) and so not to pray. That includes folks like George Mueller , Johann Christoph Blumhardt, Francis MacNutt, Charles S. Price et alii.

The following is a quote from chapter 9 of Charles S. Price's book The Real Faith.

Some years ago I was conducting a meeting in a Presbyterian Church in Medford, Oregon. The Lord led us to hold a healing service one afternoon. The place was crowded, and many were standing outside and on the window ledges, looking into the building. One of that number was a little crippled boy who walked with the aid of crutches. My heart bled for the little fellow, for there was such a look of pathos about his blue eyes that my heart was stirred. Silently I lifted my heart to the Lord, and asked for faith for the healing of the little lad.


Then across the platform there came for prayer a line of children, most of whom were accompanied by their parents. A little girl stood in front of me. Her mother was weeping. I laid my hands on her head and prayed.


Nothing happened; but the spirit of the meeting seemed to change. There was a deadness and a heaviness which weighed heavily upon me. I prayed again; and the feeling seemed to increase. I looked at the weeping mother in bewilderment. She was sobbing. At last she cried out, almost hysterically, "Why won't Jesus heal my girl?"

"Where do you worship?" I asked.

"I go to the Methodist Church," was her reply.

I looked at her closely. Then into my heart there came a suspicion. Just at that moment the Lord imparted the gift of discernment to one of the people by my side who asked the woman this question: "Have you ever been in Mysticism or Occultism?"

She had, she confessed. Her little girl did not go to the Methodist Church. She, herself, had not been there for months. She had been attending a spiritualist seance week after week. Then I knew why my Lord had withheld His blessing and His faith. The mother continued to cry in her agony of soul, "He has healed others; please ask Him to heal my little girl."

I said, "Sister, do you know anything about salvation through the shed blood of Jesus on Calvary?"

She said she had at one time, but a sorrow had come into her life and, instead of taking a little tighter grip on the hand divine, she had turned away from God. In response to my appeal, she said that she would like to give her heart to Christ then and there, and asked me to pray for her. She repeated a prayer of surrender after me, and then I closed with the words, "I am trusting in Jesus as my personal Savior, and I claim the promise of the blood as the atonement for all my sin."

Into my heart, and into hers too there swept a glory wave from heaven. As I reached out my hand once again to her little girl, I knew that her days as a cripple were over. She sprang to her feet. She was healed! Then I looked at the poor little crippled boy and held out my hand for him to try to climb through the window and come to the platform for prayer. He did not come. Instead, he fell through the window, leaving his crutches on the outside! He too was healed.

The Holy Ghost took such charge of that service, that I have seldom seen anything to equal it. Not only were people healed, but many were saved. Down the aisle came a dear, old lady who had been in a wheel chair for years. She was leaping, shouting, and praising God, even as they did in the days when the Savior walked the streets with men. What a meeting! What a time to make men adore Him and angels to rejoice.
Now, suppose I had possessed faith for the healing of that little girl. Suppose that when I first laid hands on her head, she had gone away well. Her mother would have taken it as a sign that the seance was in the order of the Lord, and from that moment on she would have been more deeply enmeshed in the spiritism that I do not believe is of God. So, when I prayed in my lack of understanding, the spirit of faith and assurance was lifted from me. How empty I felt. Then, when the mother accepted Jesus as her personal Savior, faith was imparted and the work was done. Instead of struggling to be healed, how much sweeter and richer life would be, were we to look to Jesus who is "the Author and the Finisher of our faith."
Returning to Steve's question:

"ii) Consider the havoc it would wreak if Christians had the power to trigger natural disasters. Do we really think God has delegated that kind of unbridled power to Christians?"

Assuming God did desire a mountain to be moved, God has the power to keep natural disasters like tsunamis from occurring. Take for example Joshua's commanding the sun to stand still. Some have speculated that God may have bent light in such a way that it looked like the sun stood still, and so provided the extra daylight hours for Joshua to win the battle. However, assuming God literally did stop the Earth from rotating, God—being omnipotent—could have performed the additional miracle(s) of preventing the natural disasters that would otherwise naturally have occurred had the sun literally stood still or the Earth stop spinning (depending whether you use as your coordinate system relative heliocentrism or relative geocentrism).


"iv) Furthermore, it isn't even coherent. What if a farmer prays for rain while his neighbor prays for sunshine to display her baked goods at the county fair?"

Craig Keener has described nature miracles that amounted to this in his two volume book on Miracles [including interviews]. In one instance a village didn't get rain according to the presumptuous statement of a Christian believer despite surrounding villages receiving rain. The believer regretted making the statement before his pagan neighbors, but nevertheless fervently prayed that God would bring it to pass as he said for the sake of God's honor and glory. Also, we have modern instances of rain falling with a clear boundary line so that you can actually see where one side is wet with falling rain and the other side is dry. Steve, has used a better example in times past when he pointed out people on different sides of a war can't both have their prayers answered for their own side win. Most battles in history aren't addressed in Scripture and its prophecies and so do not fall under any specific promise of God.

"vii) Someone might object that we shouldn't interpret v24 in light of experience. I disagree. If a claim has predictable consequences, then it's legitimate to judge the claim by the outcome. If the claim is true, there will be observable evidence. That's the nature of the claim. It is necessary to take experience into account when a particular claim implies a particular experience."

Conversely, if it works in some sense for some people in some areas, then that might suggest they are interpreting the passage correctly. I say "in some sense" since the people I cite have their own peculiar qualifications regarding the efficacy of faith (as I've given my own throughout this blogpost). I say "in some areas" because some Christians seem to have developed faith in some areas more than (or to the exclusion of) others. Mueller had great faith for provision but not in healing apart from the gift of faith. Whereas Smith Wigglesworth had great faith for healing, but virtually none for finances in comparison to Mueller. The apostle James apparently had great faith for healing and WISDOM. I've already cited James 5:14ff for healing. Here's James regarding EXPECTANT Faith for WISDOM:

5    If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.6 But let him ask in faith. with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind.7 For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord;8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.- James 1:5-8

 James' statement about "anything from the Lord" might be interpreted to mean that James was teaching the exercise of expectant faith was not limited to asking for wisdom. This would be consistent with his statement later on regarding the "prayer of faith" for healing in James 5:14ff. Others had great faith for prophesying (Rom. 12:6) as God gave to each person a measure of faith (Rom. 12:3, Eph. 4:7). I could name more Arminian/Arminian-like healing ministers and give examples, and I've already mentioned a Pentecostal (Price), a Catholic (MacNutt) and a Lutheran (Blumhardt). But I should give some more Calvinist examples as well, besides Mueller (who more or less eventually came to a Calvinistic soteriology).  For example, Andrew Murray [here or here] and A. J. Gordon were two Calvinists (of sorts) who believed and taught—in some sense and degree—expectant faith for healing. For contemporary Calvinistic examples, I would recommend the writings of Sam Storms, or reading Johanes Lilik Susanto's Doctoral Thesis where he gives examples in his own experience [or HERE]. Or controversial Calvinist Vincent Cheung's testimonies.

See:

Beginning in Healing Ministry by Vincent Cheung

Advancing in Healing Ministry by Vincent Cheung

Contending in Healing Ministry by Vincent Cheung

Or Cheung's books on Biblical Healing

Here's a quote from Cheung's blogpost Advancing in Healing Ministry:

The first time I preached was also the first time I prayed for the sick. I was sixteen, a high school student. Someone was able to secure the basement of a bank for me to preach to a group of adults every Sunday. Most of the people were middle-aged, probably older than I am now. If any of them looked down on me because of my age, they no longer did after the first night.

In the message, I declared that God still performed miracles and that he commanded all believers to heal the sick. After I finished, I invited anyone who was sick to come forward, and I would pray for healing in front of everybody. Before that time, although I had heard about it, I had never prayed for the sick, never seen anyone pray for the sick, and never seen any miracle of healing. I went ahead by faith, because God told me to pray for the sick in the Bible.

Only one person came up, although after she was healed, others streamed forward. She had an abnormal curvature of the spine for some years, and was frequently in pain. I asked her to name her condition, if she had been to the doctor, and to tell us what the doctor said about it. I asked her to describe what had to be changed physically in order for her to be healed. And I confirmed that she was in pain at that moment.

Then I placed my hand on her back and was going to command her spine to become straight in the name of Jesus. I hardly went further than “In the name of Gee…” when I felt a blast come down through the ceiling (Isaiah 65:24, Matthew 6:8). I say that I could “feel” it, but it was not the same as a sensation on the body. A sensation on the body occurs when something interacts with our body, so that something that occurs beyond the space that our body occupies would not produce such a sensation. But I could feel this definitely. It was so much like a physical sensation that I would have mistaken it as one if not for the fact that it started very far from my body, even from the level above us. The Bible might be referring to something similar when it says, “At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him” (Mark 5:30).

This blast of power or energy took the shape of a sphere, about four to five feet in diameter. It crashed down through the ceiling at an angle, struck the woman on the head, and went down her spine to my hand. She fell to the floor. When we picked her up, she no longer had any pain, and she could bend down to touch her toes, something that she could not do before.

When it happened, although the whole place gasped, I was not surprised, because I really believed. I told the people to thank God, and asked if there were other sick people present, and waved them forward. Now, I am just telling you what happened, but special sensations are in fact unnecessary for healing, and more powerful cases have occurred when I did not feel anything.

So I had success the first time I prayed for the sick. On the other hand, there was one person who prayed for over a hundred people before the first healing happened. He continued, because the Bible told him to pray for the sick. Then, once the miracles started, they never stopped. He had a worldwide ministry of healing for decades. Another person prayed for many people over a year and a half before the first healing happened, and he has been a strong proponent of the healing ministry ever since on an international scale. I cannot speculate on why it happened this way for them, especially since I did not know them personally, although I might be able to offer some theories if I know more about their personalities and circumstances.

My point is that you should pray for the sick because the Bible teaches it, and do not give up if people do not receive healing right away. Even if you are not successful the first time, or the first fifty times, it does not mean that you will never have a ministry of healing. It does not happen the same way with everybody. Do not think that you do not have the “gift” of healing. Forget about the gifts – relatively speaking, the Bible almost never talks about spiritual operations in such terms. All you need is faith in God and compassion toward the people. God has all the gifts.
I'm not saying as a matter of fact that Vincent Cheung or any of the people I have (or could) listed performed the supernatural feats they've claimed or have been attributed to them. The point is that IF some of them have, then Steve's criteria of experience would be evidence for my view. Especially since doubt and faith (much less sufficient faith) are not empirically observable, whereas apparent healing in connection with—and in the context of—a profession of faith would be empirically observable. This is analogous to how a Christian can logically claim to have a positive experience of God's presence, whereas atheists cannot logically claim to have a positive experience of the non-existence of God. Atheist lack of experience doesn't proof God's non-existence since, (generally speaking) as the saying goes, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." It could be the case that everyone Steve could cite who failed to receive a positive answer to prayer 1. didn't pray for something that was God's will (ever or at that time); 2. prayed for something contrary to God's will (ever or at that time); 3. lacked sufficient faith to meet the conditions to received what God was willing to grant; 4. prayed with impure motives (James 4:2-3); or a combination of those things. I've cited a few experiential cases because Steve's blogpost emphasized the informative nature of experience and what we can infer from them. I could have cited more examples, but one need only browse this blog Charismata Matters.

 From my Calvinistic Continuationist perspective the difference between those for whom "it works" and for those whom it doesn't is the result of the nexus of 1. God's sovereignty, 2. God's calling and 3. people's knowledge and faith (the latter two ultimately falling under the influence of the first). While God may be generally willing to heal people and to use every Christian to minister healing, not everyone has a specific calling for a healing ministry (or have gifts of healing). The latter group would naturally have greater success in a healing ministry than the average Christian.









FOOTNOTES:

FN #1. One thing more. Some say, “Oh, I shall never have the gift of Faith Mr. Mueller has got.” This is a mistake—it is the greatest error—there is not a particle of truth in it. My Faith is the same kind of Faith that all of God's children have had. It is the same kind that Simon Peter had, and all Christians may obtain the like Faith. My Faith is their Faith, though there may be more of it because my Faith has been a little more developed by exercise then theirs; but their Faith is precisely the Faith I exercise, only, with regard to degree, mine may be more strongly exercised. Now, my beloved brothers and sisters, begin in a little way. At first I was able to trust the Lord for ten dollars, then for a hundred dollars, then for a thousand dollars, and now, with the greatest ease, I could trust Him for a million dollars, if there was occasion. But first, I should quietly, carefully, deliberately examine and see whether what I was trusting for, was something in accordance with His promises in His written Word.- George Mueller
http://www.chapellibrary.org/files/archive/pdf-english/rfai.pdf


FN #2 "It pleased the Lord, I think, to give me in some cases something like the gift (not grace) of faith, so that unconditionally I could ask and look for an answer. The difference between the gift and the grace of faith seems to me this. According to the gift of faith I am able to do a thing, or believe that a thing will come to pass, the not doing of which, or the not believing of which would not be sin; according to the grace of faith I am able to do a thing, or believe that a thing will come to pass, respecting which I have the word of God as the ground to rest upon, and, therefore, the not doing it, or the not believing it would be sin. For instance, the gift of faith would be needed, to believe that a sick person should be restored again, though there is no human probability: for there is no promise to that effect; the grace of faith is needed to believe that the Lord will give me the necessaries of life, if I first seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness: for there is a promise to that effect. (Matt. vi. 33.)" - George Mueller
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/26522/26522-h/26522-h.htm